HAWPcast: Sadness and Spoilers

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In this episode Ash and I talk about stuff that makes us cry. Meaning, Firefly.

SPOILERS for the following:

Fable II

The Walking Dead TV Show (all of it)

The Walking Dead Comic (the first two or three trade paperbacks)

Serenity

Metal Gear Solid 4

Limbo

Doctor Who seasons 2, 3, and 4

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57 Responses to “HAWPcast: Sadness and Spoilers”

  1. Binh N. says:

    Dr. Who spoilers? NOOOOOO
    I just got past the part where some dude has a concrete slab girlfriend.
    ..but I guess i’ll watch this anyways. Thanks for the podcast guys.

  2. minna says:

    There was a sega world once!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_World_Sydney

    Well, it was one building, BUT STILL.

    • chris says:

      I went to it and my god was it awful

      • Brododium says:

        I went when I was 12 and spent my entire yearly earnings on Metal Slug Three, yes it only amounted to about $14.50 (after lolly tax) and to the end of the Crab Battle with my brother, but that game has remained my favourite to this day.

        I also bought a pair of rose-tinted glasses on the way out, I’ve never taken them off.

        • jjowono says:

          Oh man! I’m from Sydney and I forgot all about that place! It was next to darling harbour and the building had a giant blue pyramid on the top! Good times…

  3. Brinny says:

    I might be wrong, but I think I remember you guys talking a while back about getting emotional near the end of Shadow of the Colossus when Agro falls off the cliff. I might just be projecting though, I cried like a little bitch.

  4. Suicidaldragon says:

    lol at 53:43

  5. asd says:

    can you add time guides for the spoilers. thnkx

  6. Chris says:

    “Exit Through the Gift Shop” is on Netflix instant streaming!

    So yes, you can watch it. Quite good.

    • bryce says:

      I was kind of confused about that movie, but in the end I was just really pissed off. MBW is a piece of crap and highlights the issues surrounding a lot of french artists and their complete disregard for intellectual property (yes this is a sweeping generalization but I find it to be a prominent issue). Like ZEVS and his “dripping logos” bullshit.

  7. Mr_Day says:

    I saw When the Wind blows at school, and the teacher was most insistent that they are following genuine advice given by two different groups – the government, and some advice bureau.

    Supposedly, British citizens were genuinely told that in the event of a nuclear attack, placing your door against the wall at a certain angle and living in the recess created would totally save you. For reals.

    I was 2 when Raymond Briggs first film adaptation of one of his novels came out – The Snowman. I loved that film.

  8. JLB says:

    An open letter of response:

    I apologize if my question concerning Bill Viola was vague and/or uninteresting- I figured that if it was too specific then dialogue would be stymied or binary (plus I’m a painter. I can’t write). The simple core of the question was, “This old white guy is making a game that rich people are going to look at and write about…thoughts?” …which was lame, but I enjoy your perspective, so I thought I’d give it a shot and ask.

    I know the debate of “games as art” has become trite- and I don’t think one person’s contribution will punctuate the entire discussion. However, when the medium of games enters a different sphere of influence, without any recognition or dissection, it speaks volumes on how the medium operates within its prescribed audience…which is hermetically.

    I think the game is the artist’s distillation of how games function for its hermetic audience through a base “truth”- which is: games are simply a physical interaction with light…go.

    Atomizing TNJ to its mechanics, visual style, story, or any other bullet pointed feature might reveal other messages or themes embedded within the dense presentation, but postmodernism is anything but scientific- and the work overall will fall short under such a microscope. He seems to be deconstructing a game and allowing the viewer to play with the pieces, I think that through his deconstructed approach to games therein lies the possibility for new experiences and new ideas concerning games as a medium for expression.

    I just thought it was interesting and exciting that a person who is completely invested in visual experiences was crafting an interactive one, and wanted to share. Call me a philistine, but I want to believe that for an artist of his experience and caliber contributing to the medium should provoke some head turning. I just want new ideas and thoughts on games. Viola could bring a larger critical view of the medium rather than one old white film critic.

    Also, I hear that if you preorder the night journey you get an exclusive monocle and top hat.

    -jef

    • Ozzy says:

      “I know the debate of “games as art” has become trite”

      You should have stopped there. Also, don’t mention that you’re a “painter”. I don’t know why, but it rubbed me the wrong way. There is nothing wrong if you’re a painter, it’s just…….never mind.

    • Ozzy says:

      Here is a six minute video of Hideo Kojima explaining why video games are not art: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2mKxNoWbO4

      • JLB says:

        I agree. There is nothing wrong with being a “painter.” It might have rubbed you the wrong way because it probably read as me being pompous- which was not my intention. It was all in jest.

        Even considering the resume of someone as prolific as Kojima, I don’t think he is the definitive voice on what games are or are not. I don’t think it works that way.

        I just think that the more abstract the people who are participating in the development of interactive experiences, the better. I want to see a video artist’s crack at a video game just as much as I want to see a bicycle manufacturer’s attempt at an airplane.

  9. TomBrend says:

    In Fable I left my family dead, but went to the DLC island and resurrected my dog at the shrine thing there.

  10. Applesoda says:

    How dare Ash return to MURICA without my Kazu cast…I am dissapoint.
    Oh well. Welcome back to the homeland.

    Crisis Core depressed the shit out of me. I knew Zack was gonna die. I fuckin’ knew. Tears overflow.
    Second ONLY to the end of the 10th doctors run.
    Mum set me off by doing the taping thing on the table during dinner. Needless to say, she was very confused. Worst New Years Ever.

  11. Carlmalown says:

    when you think your horse dies in shadow of the colossus, that moment made me cry almost stopped playing the game but continued because I couldn’t let my horse’s sacrifice be in vain.

  12. Terence says:

    A) Modern Warfare 2 lack of choise bullshit VS Bioshock and the ending of Shadow of the Colossus?
    B) GODDAMN WHAT’S THE DAMN GAME DJFHAKDJHFSJKJHSDF

  13. Greg says:

    Haha, I really like the nintendo land idea and all the details behind it. Every year around Halloween my wife conjures up ideas for the ultimate haunted house (<- I know, who in their right mind wants to own a haunted house, but she’s totally serious lol.) This year we were sitting at the dinner table and all of sudden she goes ”Consent forms, I’m definitely going to need consent forms”

  14. Kris says:

    “Hey America! You smell funny. You’ve got a lot of white people in you!”

    LMFAO!? That’s had me chuckling to myself all day…

  15. Jhales says:

    Wouldn’t it be better to make a Spring Time for Hitler dating sim? I mean, gay Hitler is funnier (not saying that gay people are inherently funny) than normal Hitler.

    Also, there is a Harry Potter World here at Universal in Orlando, technically it’s in Islands of Adventure, but ya. Haven’t been there but my best friend works there. They pretty much recreated the area from the movies and converted the fantasy section of the park into HP. They turned two/three coasters into HP themed and I think made a ride for the castle… or something. From what I can tell, it’s really gimmicky.

  16. ben says:

    ok what is the name of the cartoon ashley is talking about in 40:34. i didnt hear the name.

  17. Pete says:

    I demand to know the game Anthony was speaking of but refused to name!

  18. Knoodles says:

    Exit Through The Gift Shop is on Netflix

  19. Kris says:

    If you like the actor Lennie James (Morgan Jones in ‘The Walking Dead’, obviously…) then you may appreciate his Prison Drama ‘Buried’. I know I did, and I’m not even black!

  20. Dr. Feelgood says:

    Anything I’ve misinterpreted as intelligent that was said in a RevRant has gone out the window the moment you started defending WoW.

    • Anthony says:

      I’m definitely not defending it — I think it’s a bad game with repetitive gameplay and creepy scheduled rewarding mixed in with a kind-of-meaningless sense of upward progression.

      I’m just saying I understand why people play it a lot (e.g. because it has repetitive gameplay and creepy scheduled rewarding mixed in with a kind-of-meaningless sense of upward progression).

      • Dr. Feelgood says:

        But you’ve always been an advocate of games that have a respect for your time and pretty vocal against the JRPG, at least the early JRPGs that told a good story.

        It’s like seeing Santa Claus celebrating Passover.

      • Em says:

        I spent the last five years living with WoW players (didn’t keep any interest in it past level 20 myself), I ripped the entire brownie analogy and made it my ringtone. I haven’t answered a single call since then because I just want to listen to it all.

        Also, “Your mum’s a dirty whore” is amazing as an incoming message sound (from the discovery advert parody), everyone at gearbox will appreciate you more if they hear it.

        Or fire you.

  21. Ozzy says:

    I don’t want to sound like a pretentious asshole, but Ash is wrong about Grave of the Fireflies. First, you never see any Americans in the film. Actually, they are never mentioned, they are solely named as “the enemy”. That’s the whole point of the film. Also, the main character was not “lively”, he was a scared little boy. In addition, it has nothing to do with the “atomic bomb”. It has to do with the fire bombing of Kobe.I can go on, but like I stated earlier, I don’t want to sound like some pretentious asshole… You tried LMFAO.

    • Chris says:

      Re-listen. She wasn’t talking about fireflies for that. Now you just sound like an asshole. She was talking about another short film.

  22. John says:

    You guys seem to hate buffy fan videos with a passion, but I wonder if it’s just poor editing rather than the concept of fan made music videos. I’ve been watching fan music vids for a while now, and I know that while there are a LOT of terrible fan videos out there, there are some really excellent ones too. Case in point, I challenge you to hate this Doctor Who video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dHkbdMYpSA [SPOILERS IN LINK]

    I honestly think it is impossible to hate it if you’re a fan of the Tennant years.

    • crazy says:

      I agree. This was very good for a fan video and it hits multiple themes/characters in the series. Yet, 9/10 fan videos found on youtube suck. They consist of a generic emo songs and poor editing

  23. chainsawface says:

    ANTHONY BURCH PLAYS WOW
    ANTHONY BURCH PLAYS WOW
    ANTHONY BURCH PLAYS WOW
    ASHLY DAVIS PLAYS WOW

    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
    ANTHONY WHY ARE YOU SO CONSTANTLY OUT OF CHARACTER

  24. Chris says:

    My grandad told me a story that he went to the same Hiroshima museum and when he left a Japanese man walked up to him and asked “What did you think of the bomb?” and he just couldn’t answer. It was one of the worst things to ever happen but it stopped the war. Even hearing the story was a very moving moment in my life.

  25. Chris says:

    also what was the game?

    • Mr_Day says:

      I had a guess that it might have been One Chance, but if that is the case I don’t see the problem with explaining the concept. The game tells you what the sad truth is right at the beginning.

      Everything else that happens to you when you play is purely subjective, and you shouldn’t really discuss what happened with your playthrough to anyone that hasn’t played as it might cause them to try and replicate/avoid the same circumstances rather than play their own version.

      Oh, and if you do play it, remember one thing – unless you are going to cheat like a motherfucker, the name of the game is literal. You get one chance

      Also – main character kinda looks like Anthony.

      http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/555181

  26. CasinoGrande says:

    While I think there are some reasonable argument in favor of using the atomic bomb, I was rather disappointed to learn that those justifications were almost entirely retroactive.
    In college, I had a class on the International Relations of East Asia, where I read a paper called, “The Atomic Bombings Reconsidered.”
    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/50569/barton-j-bernstein/the-atomic-bombings-reconsidered
    http://www.jstor.org/pss/20047025

    It went into detail about how the decision to drop the bomb was barely a decision at all. At a time when scientists were so distrusted by mainstream society, they could not invest so many resources into something without using it.
    What should have been something that weighed on policymaker’s souls may have affected them far less than it did the two of you while you discussed it.
    I suppose Oppenheimer was far more aware of the scope of his actions, with his Bhagavad Gita quotation.

    On a lighter, but also weird note, have you guys seen MST3K’s viewing of Invasion of the Neptune Men? It looks like it features the Hitler amusement park that Anthony so desires:
    http://mst3k.wikia.com/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Neptune_Men

  27. Qtwentyseven says:

    So I guess I should go ahead and watch the rest of The Walking Dead, watch Firefly/Serenity, and buy Limbo. Good thing I already have TWD on my DVR and Firefly/Serenity on DVD due to mybrotha’.
    :P

    • Qtwentyseven says:

      Youse two should really just do way less spoilery stuff. It’s always involving things I plan to experience myself.

  28. Wait, wait, wait…

    Anthony DIDN’T cry at the end of “Iron Giant”?

    I’ve always suspected he wasn’t quite human. Now I know.

    Iron Giant’s the only movie that can turn on the waterworks when I just THINK about it. Oh God… I’m thinking about it now… T-T

  29. SamWo says:

    I laughed so fucking hard at “Wrath of the Lich Brownie”
    awesome analogy!

  30. Kris says:

    Ignore this…

  31. Adrian says:

    Saddest podcast EVER!

  32. Josh says:

    I can understand not crying at the end of the Iron Giant but you cant say you didnt feel anything. When the Giant is flying towards the missle and says “Superman..”, smiles and then closes his eyes.. Fuck man, its intensly emotional. Makes me cry like a litlle bitch. Then that ending where the parts start crawling back kindve ruined it for me. I wanted a ‘Sad as shit, your huge metal alien/only friend died with no chance of ever seeing him again’ ending which would emotionally cripple any kid who watched it.

    Viewing it as a kid, then again as an adult though, the same emotions are felt. I spose there are millions of examples (tagent thought) of the same emotions being felt when you watch/play somthing at different periods/mind sets in your life. Your top games/movies that heed the same emotional response when you experience them in different periods of your life?

  33. Eirik says:

    Got the new Iron Maiden album, and really liked the song “When the Wild Wind Blows”, which led me to watch “When the Wind Blows”, and I there we go, crying out loud.

  34. DPS says:

    I love your guys podcast, but there is one thing that annoys me to hell about it every time (well…maybe not every time, but it’s consistent). The whole “I’m going to mention this…wait…should I mention this? Fuck it. I’m going to say it. But actually…no…I’ll tell you after the podcast and slap everyone in the face. *on to next topic*” dynamic.

    If you feel like you’re going to regret saying it, then please don’t bring it up in the first place…and if you do fly off the handle and do bring it up, just give one of your spoiler warnings and say it anyway.

    If you guys put timestamps in your descriptions, we could just skip over it. Example:

    We ruin the incentive for playing a specific game: 45:22 – 52:36
    We spoil Doctor Who Season 5: 21:18 – 30:03

    That would make listening to the show more enjoyable, I think. We can choose to be spoiled and if we decide not to be, we can skip over the spoiled content exactly and not have to do guesswork/miss anything else. Then we can choose to go back and listen to that content once we’ve thoroughly investigated the spoilee (not a word, but whatever).

  35. Leeroy says:

    Wrath of the Lich Brownie sssssooooooooooooo funny :D

  36. ken says:

    If you guys both love serious stuff that makes you cry, you’d both love the short anime series (only 11 episodes) “Tokyo Magnitude 8.0.” It’s a show that tries to take a very serious and realistic look at what would happen if an 8.0 earthquake were to hit Tokyo, and in particular, how it would effect a pair of siblings stranded halfway across the city from their parents. I would think that this would be particularly poignant for Ash since she just spent a bunch of time there and would undoubtedly recognize a lot of the scenery. It’s not all sad though, it’s as much uplifting and life-affirming as it is depressing.

  37. Mike says:

    Firefly! Winter break’s singular goal is to watch the whole series and the movie again.

  38. Abomination says:

    What faction/class/race are you playing? *nerd snort*

    I kinda lost respect to you, but then again I’m in the same boat when you were describing WoW.

  39. Floameh says:

    Im surprised no ones mentioned the Pokemon Theme Park that actually exists in Japan (i think) yet. Im on my ipod so cant link you but a quick google will bring it up. Its got Pikachu ride and everything!

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